Psyched For Business Podcast Episode 19

Episode 19:
How to get the most out of generative AI with Rohin Aggarwal

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Episode 19 - Transcript 

Voiceover  0:00  
Welcome to Psyched for Business, helping business leaders understand and apply cutting edge business psychology principles in the workplace.

Richard Anderson  0:13  
Hi, and welcome to Psyched for Business. I'm Richard Anderson. In today's episode, I'm joined by Rohin Aggarwal, founder at Promptability. In our discussion, we talked about all things generative AI, what we already know, the direction of travel, and the importance of being able to use AI to perform at the highest level in the workplace. Thanks again for listening. I hope you enjoy the episode

Rohin Welcome to Psyched for business. Thanks for joining me, how are you doing? 

Rohin Aggarwal  0:41  
Yeah, good. Thanks, Rich. How are you? 

Richard Anderson  0:43  
I'm very well, thanks. And I'm delighted, I have to say to have you on, I feel like I've gotten to know you fairly well, over the last couple of months. And we've been doing lots of work together. And Promptability is a really exciting tool. It's a really exciting concept. I'm really keen as part of this podcast to get into the the nitty gritty and how you started that and why you started it and all of that sort of stuff. And we'll go into that in a second. Rohin. But would you mind just really quickly, maybe introducing yourself kind of who you are, what you do? Maybe a little bit about your background? 

Rohin Aggarwal  1:14  
Yeah, sure. Yeah. And again, thanks for having me on Rich. So my background broadly is in education skills and employment. And I've come at it more from a strategy and a tech point of view. So over the years, kind of I used to be a management consultant and worked in finance for a bit. And since then I haven't had kind of a real job, you could say, for nearly a decade. And I started off with a careers tech platform called ThinkSMART, which where we could be, it's actually very relevant to what we're going to go on to, but we crowdsource problems from people in different jobs, got them to solve them, and then help them to figure out what path might be for them, whether they're kind of 16 or 64, then, because of COVID, actually, that kind of online learning landscape really accelerated as you can imagine. So I ended up doing a lot of advisory work for clients, in loads of different areas, from anywhere from online high schools, to online degree programs to online products that might help the unemployed get back to work. So that that's been really the core of my background over the last kind of six, seven years is strategy in tech products in this landscape. And then yeah, we can come on to what kind of, you know what maybe inspired the next step. So now at the moment, it's a balance between what we're going to come on to and still some advisory work with those clients. 

Richard Anderson  2:27  
Brilliant, brilliant. It's really, really interesting, interesting background there. So Promptability is the late I'm guessing is the latest tool, unless there's anything unless there's anything that you haven't told me, not yet. Not yet. But we're just looking on your website here. Rohin. So what we do our mission of Promptability is to understand and improve people's use of generative AI, such as chat GPT, and Bard for the benefit of the organizations that they're they work for. Tell me a little bit more about that. And maybe, let's assume that the listeners might not know what generative AI is, they may not have a great deal of experience or knowledge with Chat GPT. Although it is ubiquitous, everybody's talking about it these days. But let's make no assumption. So tell me a little bit more about kind of what inspired Promptability and a little bit more about what you do. 

Rohin Aggarwal  3:16  
Yeah, of course. Thanks, the so the initial inspiration was when I'd worked in the data science market a little bit looking at training companies that help people upskill in data science. Similar thing that was kind of the trend, the hype cycle for a while was everyone was talking about it. And I was looking at it thinking well organizations chief execs, senior people, they hear these buzzwords, but they're thinking, how do you actually make this practical before I start investing loads of money and tools or loads of money and training and so on. And I thought at the time, there wasn't really a quick diagnostic or assessment in data science, I don't think there is still even now but I kind of had that in the back of my mind when this chat GPT hype was kind of going and I was very lucky to get a bit of a head start on it with a company I was involved with, called Auto Gen AI where the founders there have made amazing strides in helping people to better write bids and proposals using this technology. So the technology itself, essentially is like having a personal assistant. Next to you, it's got the world's kind of published work at your fingertips. And it predicts you ask a question, and it will then go to that library and predict the best fit words essentially, based on your question. So it's not as really important. It's not Google. People have to always remember, it comes up with text that is very convincing that a human could have written it. But that text is not sourced directly from any material. It's almost like an art or a brain that's coming up with a plausible set of words based on what you've put into it. So it's a very, so you could you could actually chat to this for quite a long time. And the danger is you kind of It looks very, very real. And so with with this curve, hype curve, you're seeing all the business press and like you said, it's kind of you feel like it's everywhere. But actually, if you're a business person responsible for a team or companies, I think he's still thinking and lots of the surveys, just insane. Where do we start?

And that was, again, where I went, and we can come on to sort of, I don't have the expertise of business psychology but but then he you know, very well, my business partner on this was someone I said, Look, if this is the problem to solve, could we become one of the first in the industry to produce kind of a low stakes assessment to help people understand where to even start? Yeah. 

Richard Anderson  5:40  
And and, and when you had those conversations with Ben, were you thinking of using, you know, the this tool or this idea that was obviously embryonic at the time? Were you thinking about using that with existing employees and organizations? Or were you thinking of people to recruit based on based on these types of tools? Or what was kind of your mindset at the time? 

Rohin Aggarwal  6:05  
Yeah, we I think the target is existing or was existing employee. So from what I understand, and again, the psychologists will have kind of a better answer on this maybe, but the burden and unsure actually with your work, which you'll see you'll see this as the burden of the validation and what you have to go through if it's in a recruitment context. It's very different to a kind of national development context. And I think that's where we were. We don't all set things in this industry in generativity are changing every day. So people may have seen the videos of like, first there's chat GPT, then there's stuff that's able to create videos for you and Google have brought out something called Gemini. So we were thinking, it's probably not fair or right, at this stage to make it a recruitment test, although we are hearing from clients actually, is that possible? The first step was, a lot of people are worried a lot of people actually scared about it. A lot of people feel quite pressured into starting to use it, how can we help enable them to use it? And that was where exactly to your point, it was about existing employees? And then helping them to figure out what training and what steps to take to get them upskilled. 

Richard Anderson  7:12  
Yeah, because as you say, I mean, it's incredible. The types of things that you can do with it, there was a colleague of mine Will, who, who first brought Chuck GPT, to our offices, whenever it was, whenever the kind of launch was kind of middle early part of of last year. And he was saying they could do really cool things that can write poetry like that they can do doctors Seuss and all of this sort of stuff. And he was showing off to the office. And I think at the time, there was a tremendous amount of concern, I think, among among the staff internally, and as I understand that that's probably shared across across the board, or certainly was shared across the board. These tools Rohin, in your view, are there? Are they're there to enhance or support us in a work context or replace us or so have you got any views on that side of things? 

Rohin Aggarwal  8:02  
Yeah, that's a really good question, because you got the Sci Fi angle haven't you. And that where we sort of think the bots are taking over. My view of the technology as it is today is that it's like, it's kind of gives you a bit of a superpower that if you use it right, and you use it well, it should help you do your job better, quicker, hopefully increase your quality of life, because a lot of the mundane tasks, where employees, I'm sure some of your employees may say the same way think it's quite repetitive, or they're stuck for ideas, and so on. That's where it can help really nicely. And without the clients, we have the conversation we're having increasingly it's not that this is going to take your job, somebody who uses this better than you, or really takes the time to become fluent, may well look more attractive to employers and do their job better. You know, the statistic we're still gonna have to see how this plays out. But I My gut feeling is you'd be kind of going into the into the job with one arm tied behind your back. It's a bit like sort of saying, I'm not going to use Google, I'm not going to use the iPhone, if you believe this is a fundamental technology shift. And I think, which is that that would be my view is that you're in danger of maybe losing out to in the labor market, or don't see yet. I think it's that classic thing of where people overestimate maybe the short term, but underestimate. Maybe like the five year stretch. If we had this conversation in 5/10 years, maybe it's slightly different. And you know, maybe electric cars are a good example of actually how many cars are driving on their own round the streets that may not. You know, that's mainly and there's some analogies there maybe.

Richard Anderson  9:44  
Yes, so you were talking about Rohin and people using it or people potentially using it better than you and I think that's a really, really crucial point. Because you get out with these things, what you put in so tell me about a GPT and what we're talking with ChatGPT as an example for the listeners. Because I've certainly noticed firsthand if you give it or prompt it with a bit of a wishy washy prompt message, you know, give me X, Y and Z, you're probably going to get some stock. Yeah, response. It'll be good to a point. But it might not be what you're exactly looking for at that time. So it's really, really crucial how you prompt these tools, how you ask the questions, and how you give it the information that it needs in order to get back what you need. That's a that's a key part of this, isn't it? 

Rohin Aggarwal  10:34  
Yeah, it's a great point. And actually, as he was describing this, I was thinking in the day to day workplace, before chat, GPT, and so on, if you sent a poorly constructed email to someone in your team, there wasn't, they probably have the right to come back to you and say, like, you know, Rich, that wasn't very clear. I really don't know what you're what you're wanting from me, was kind of analogies a little bit like the Chatbot. You got to is the same thing. If you put a poor instruction in or poorly worded prompt, it's going to do the best it can a bit like on of your employees, but you shouldn't expect it to kind of have the 100% answer. And I think, yeah, the last pillar of the prompts ability assessment, when we looked at it, you know, in order to come up with the assessment, we interviewed experts to research as to what is important in order to prompt well, is about that prepare, review, you know, make sure you do the right steps and take more time at the start. That will save you time afterwards. And I think that's if you prompt badly, it could actually be counterproductive. Yes, longer you get frustrated with it. So exactly. You've got you know, adding examples, adding context, all these things are features of a good prompt writer. And actually, if you go back to the email, probably not a bad analogy. If somebody sent me an email with that was really clear. You know, phrased well, maybe with example, maybe with context, you probably can understand it better. 

Richard Anderson  11:57  
Yeah, well, you are absolutely. And I like that analogy. I think it's a really, really good one. And I was I was just thinking to myself, when I started using chat GPT, which I use multiple times a day. Now I have to say it just makes my life. Tremendous amount easier. Work wise, even things like just to digress slightly even things like you know, blog writing and support, maybe with LinkedIn posts and little things like that. I remember once there was a colleague of mine a couple of years ago, who had written a brilliant blog and brilliant article, but was struggling for ages on a conclusion of that it sounds so simple a conclusion. But trying to conclude the article and trying to give some really interesting next steps. These days, if you put a decent prompt in the in to chat GPT, you had inevitably a really great conclusion build from that. So So yeah, I'm I'm much, much better than I was. And I think that's through trial and error. It's through practice. But I'm still nowhere near the level that I think I could or potentially should be. For the prompts that I give, where do you think we are as a, you know, let's just use the UK, for example, and UK businesses a very generic question, maybe, but where do you think we are in terms of our ability to prompt Well?

Rohin Aggarwal  13:12  
Yeah, so really, it's really interesting, actually, when you say that ability, so I think our ability is probably pretty good. Because the fundamental skills it requires in terms of logic, actually, a strong component is English language skills. So the UK, in some ways, have an advantage because these models are trained on English language. People who've done the assessment early kind of thing Oh, actually, I didn't realize that a lot of the good writing skills, business writing, logic, they're actually quite transferable. So I think the UK business probably does have ability two bits that I would add to that, though, to counter is the knowledge of risks, limitation, biases, hallucinations, you know, when it does things that you don't expect, or you think that's wrong, we're noticing that element is probably lacking, because that's about awareness and about people wanting to investigate things. And I think the point is, the average employee probably hasn't even immediate employee probably hasn't even logged into chat GPT it's not there necessarily that problem or their fault, it's about raising awareness, then realizing the benefits. So I think the opportunity may or may not be there depends on the workforce culture and the company, some of them Barnett, sorry. Whereas actually, the, if you get on the playing field, we think the ability might well be there. So it's the opportunity, the motivation. 

Richard Anderson  14:42  
I mean, it's a really, really good point. That's probably I've made a couple of assumptions that are wrongly that I think maybe Rohin, just because I work in a small business and there's, you know, we've got a handful of stuff, you know, primarily in the office together, and we'll talk about these things and just make assumptions that people are always using chat GPT because we're always talking about and it's a big part of what, what what each of us do individually. But for a lot of I would imagine bigger organizations, then, as you said, there's there's people likely not using Chat GPT at all.

Rohin Aggarwal  15:13  
And some will ban it, you know, for good reason. Some maybe the trouble is, it's okay, banning it. But that timeline the organization's are taking to figure out how to use it. That's the bit when you still need to kind of increase awareness. And you could still do certain things that allow your workforce to get, you know, to get upskilled. Yeah.

Richard Anderson  15:32  
How do we put a bit of a maybe a broad question, but how do we increase awareness? Would you say among those organizations that maybe either will ChatGPT, for example, hasn't come on their radar yet, or?

Rohin Aggarwal  15:47  
Yeah, I think the early adopters point someone was, someone asked me this question yesterday, I think it's almost like the positive, and the kind of maybe less optimistic view that one is showing good examples of where it actually makes an impact in the business environment. So there are early studies showing productivity gains, and so on. But I think the jury's probably a bit still out. There's these early studies, we need more and more data and more and more examples of success stories. And the other, which is slightly in some geographies, this plays better than others, where there's more of a risk aversion is to say, if you do believe this is a fundamental shift, which I think it is, it's important not to use it badly. It's almost like a compliance angle, that there's also importance to raise awareness that it's a great tool, but you can't just go and quote, an academic paper from it, because that academic paper might not exist. And then that has huge implications if you use it in the wrong context. Yeah, yeah. Interest phase two, you know, I think I think it's both actually, it can be reused really well, to improve productivity. But it can also be used very badly and cost you so it's kind of two sides. Yeah. 

Richard Anderson  16:57  
So it's making sure that people are aware of both of these things and how to use it correctly. I think thing most importantly, so obviously, that's a lot of the work that you've been doing. Alongside alongside Ben with with Promptability. Obviously, you've created a, a tool and assessment that gauges somebody's ability to Yeah, somebody's somebody's ability to how good somebody is, at prompting these these types of tilt tilt. Tell me a little bit more about that, if you wouldn't mind going a little bit more more depth about what you've actually built. 

Rohin Aggarwal  17:32  
Yeah, thanks. So we few steps to the process was firstly, doing our own research of what does a prompt engineer, its a grand title, it's more of a skill of writing with these chat bots, what do they do? What tends to characterize good ones. And then we put together an expert panel of some prompts engineers, for the markets and data scientists, some teachers, actually, actually, it's really useful to get the angle of people who are teaching these kinds of skills. And we put together a profile, and then this is, you know, I'll defer to the psychometricians, who know this better, but essentially, they were able to say, We think these four pillars make for somebody shows good ability. So we had knowledge of limitation, risks and biases, which I mentioned, because that's an important to know the limitations that motivation, motivations, super important, because actually, doesn't matter how good you are, if you've not got the right role models, people around you opportunities, then you're never going to use it. Yeah. And actually, we thought, maybe that's less relevant. But in conversations with firms, they're really interested in that, because it gives them a so what, because actually, that's a clear area you can work on if your employees are not motivated.

The other area is about essentially business writing skills, English language, which makes sense in terms of what you said, Rich. And then lastly, specifically for prompt writing. How well do you go about your business of writing that Prompt? Do you prepare for it? Do you think about examples again? Do you spend time thinking about the email before you send it to us to use that analogy? How well do you think do you put an attachment in it? You know, do you? Do you add some context? Do you give examples. So those four pillars, we use to then create the tests. And obviously, we thanks to you and the team that vav assess, we then needed, you know, a platform in which to take that. So we created the test, put together, you know, a methodology of scoring, so that everybody gets an individualized report with some recommendations. And everyone can take that see their data, see their outcomes through the vault assess platform that we partner with. 

Richard Anderson  19:35  
Yeah, brilliant. And I think it's, it's really, really interesting that you you've defined four pillars and as you talk through them, they all make complete sense from from my, you know, fairly limited knowledge, I guess, of these types of things. But but the the recommendations I think that's that that's really important as well, because presumably the idea for this is that you call it at the beginning kind of low stakes assessment for somebody to go through around, you know, their ability to prompt. How important are those recommendations? And what what, what what sorts of things are you? Were you giving people in terms of information? Is it based on where they've, where they've maybe displayed like a development areas to see and pillon? pillar number one, you know, knowledge of biases? And is it is it if you haven't score particularly well on that, you'll get recommendations about how you can improve? 

Rohin Aggarwal  20:25  
Yeah, I think that's spot on. Really, it's, and actually, and that's the thing with assessments isn't it is depending on what they useful, generally, it's kind of the so what, okay, I've got, I've got this, you've shown me areas for development. Some people may take that and know what to do, or they'll kind of be self starting. And that sense, others will appreciate in the report might say, go and practice this, go and find some people you could speak to about it, and so on. Then, the other bit, which we're developing a new area is our training offer, because enough clients are now saying, well, actually, do you think you could show us a one on one demo, so we're creating some sort of asynchronous materials, and we've got the ability to run some live workshops to which exactly to your point, which hopefully tackle they're not going to tackle every single item across the four pillars, but gets gets you going. And I think, final thing, final thing I'll mention is, I think this is something it's all about practice. So you could have the kind of chalk and talk or the lecture material, but it seems really, really, really is believing on this. You've mentioned it you said about team members, when you see that prompt result in an image or a video, or it's quite a wow moment. I think it's really crucial. Employees see that for themselves. 

Richard Anderson  21:36  
Yeah, I quite agree. I think I think it's one thing doing these tools. But to be able to get those those recommendations and potentially training interventions and all of that sort of stuff that you've you've talked through maybe based on development areas, then that's the that's the real crucial part, because I guess, then if they do the assessment, again, after they've gone through that intervention, or whatever the likelihood is that they're going to improve in that area. And they're going to increase their their knowledge. She mentioned right at the beginning about increasing awareness and potentially getting people using these types of tools. So in terms of the Promptability tool that you guys have developed, I mean, you talked about it being as part of the staff development process, do you have any particular? Is there a particular sector or vertical that might get the best use from this? Or is it? Is it genuinely a tool that can be used across the board? 

Rohin Aggarwal  22:31  
Yes, really? So it's a really timely question, actually. Because just a couple of days ago, overnight, we got an email from a potential partner in Malaysia. And they asked him that, and they set up a really interesting is getting a lot of hype in Malaysia, what sectors? What type of person, you know, where would you use it, and I sort of thought it felt a bit flippant, so well everyone because that was my first reaction. But actually, I think if you are in an office, job related job, or actually, and depending because it's, you know, it's multimodal by that, I mean, you put in a prompt in text, but you might want to get image, you might want to get a diagram, you might want to get text, you might want to get video, you can then imagine, basically, all of the workforce needs to work with text image, you know, even translating into foreign languages. So I was kind of thinking, it's actually relevant for everyone. But if I was to say where, you know, but maybe where are we seeing some early traction, or people that are really thinking about this as a professional services, so your lawyers, your consultants, your bank is because, you know, they charge high fees, they're looking at value add for clients, and spending as much time with clients as possible versus maybe some of the mundane? Interestingly, we're seeing oil and gas and telco. So that shows you maybe within the firms are looking at efficiencies.

You know, as I said, it started working a lot in education. And that's got huge implications about maybe how teachers create lesson plans, how children can get one on one personalized tutors, how you can produce content at scale. So I think, hopefully, it's a roundabout way of saying it is, I think, applicable throughout industries. And even throughout the organizations we're seeing chief execs say, well, actually, we need to know about this. Yeah. Even if you're not going to be using it day to day, you know, you mentioned yourself using it and then you've got and then you've got kind of right through to people entering the workforce and fat younger people are growing up with this now. Yeah. So you know, this is this is a bit like them growing up with the iPhone or something. 

Richard Anderson  24:37  
Yeah, no, no, you're absolutely right. It's it's funny because like even even in our, the world in which we operate, or kind of small software business, we've got, you know, various different people who would be a department in our organization. And I know I know for a fact that we've created user stories for for software features using ChatGPT, something along the lines of the prompt might be assume the role of a grid near Silicon Valley business analyst and creates user stories for the following. And what it did for him was absolutely incredible. And it was just like, scenarios, stories all written in Go, and you copy that, and you and that at a time. And obviously, you know, you need to thoroughly review and all that sort of stuff, but at that one time, would have taken like, a day a day and a half to pull together and did it like in three minutes or different it just like, created all of these these things. And and I'm, I'm, I don't know this for a fact. But I'm sure I was speaking to a developer fairly recently, who said, I don't know whether it rah rah this chord, but give him a big support with with writing code and highlighting bugs and all that sort of stuff as well. 

Rohin Aggarwal  25:50  
Yeah, just on that, I think. So I don't come from a software engineering background at all. But more and more I see and what I hear parently that like things like GitHub, copilot, or even chat cheap, see, the implications, it's hard for speed of writing good code parent is quite exceptional. And so some people say, is that language next language of coding, actually kind of English, again, because you're writing scripts, but I'm hearing huge productivity gains. Someone said that they were you doing a PhD? Were coding as part of it. They reckon they could have shaved nine to 12 months off of it? Don't you know, these are anecdotal, but I'd sense that. Yeah, huge implications. I totally agree. 

Richard Anderson  26:30  
Well, maybe we can be software engineers after this as well 

Rohin Aggarwal  26:33  
Well I mean that that's just a really good observation of like, what did you previously think you couldn't do? Didn't have the confidence and have the awareness? It's just a good question. I hopefully for students in the classroom stuff. It allows them to open their eyes more. I mean, it should hopefully be empowering. I know, there's a lot of you know, and rightly regulation, and it's to be there and knowledge of risks. But yeah, to your point, why not?

Richard Anderson  26:59  
Well, yeah, you would, it is actually really interesting to sit and think about that I, you know, I could never be and I would, you know, if I had my time again, I certainly sometimes flirted with the idea of what I've gone into software developer would have become a software engineer, because I really liked that side of things. I'm like one of these people who would love to be more techy than they are in reality sort of thing. Obviously, I work for a software business. But I would love to have been able to do that. And just think that's interesting. Maybe we'll use ChatGPT to build an application of some sort of who knows. 

Rohin Aggarwal  27:30  
What I can say is something like website building. I mean, you're an entrepreneur, you've probably points thought, right, I need to knock that up. I need to, I need some things like that. Now, I wonder, you know, is the script that it comes up with good enough? Can I yeah. Can it empower you to do more basically? 

Richard Anderson  27:47  
Yeah, really, really interesting. So? And I know, it's a really difficult question, this one might not be something that you're able to answer at the minute, we kind of touched on it earlier, who knows what's going to happen in kind of 5/10 years time? But what what do you see in terms just in the short term future with these types of tools, presumably, they're just gonna get used more and get better?

Rohin Aggarwal  28:06  
I think that, basically, I completely agree, I think what he said It's spot on is, is, you know, version three, version four, version five, and then a bit of an arms race we're seeing with the Amazons, the Googles, and so on. Moves use more. Yeah. And I think what I'm also seeing is, and rightly so companies thinking but bit worried about just using chat GPT, and our organization, what that confidential information, whatever. So these almost local large language models, or if you want to sort of, say, an ability to use the Chatbot, that safe to your company's context, with much lower risk, I think that might be increasingly going to is going to be the case, I think the cost of doing these things is falling. So yeah, back to your point, I think more frequent and more advanced. Yeah.

Richard Anderson  28:54  
It's funny when you talk with the cost as well, because I mean, I think chat GPT three, or whatever is the typical go to for me, which is, which is free. I don't pay anything. I mean, what would you I mean, it's, it's not quite as as a rhetorical question, what would you pay for something like that? If if they were to say, Look, you need to pay, you know, a few 100 quid a month or whatever, for the value that I get from it. I'll be, it'll be difficult to say no to that.

Rohin Aggarwal  29:19  
I think that's spot on again. And that's you being as a business owner, I think that's, that is ultimately the mindset and it's your thinking, does it allow my employees to do more? Does it allow them if someone's quality of life, actually, you also want to have a happy workforce if it allows them to spend less time the return on investments there? So I think that's the thing actually, to your point, if you can prove the return, you pay for it. Yeah.

Richard Anderson  29:45  
Quite quite agree. Brilliant. We'll Rohin it's been really fascinating to talk through these different areas. It's an area that I have to say I'm really interested in as you know, because we talked about numerous times in the past. I also love what you guys have created the Promptability tool I think it's I think it's a fantastic tool. It's so innovative, I don't think there's anything else like it out there. But as I always do with these, these types of podcasts, I want to give you the opportunity to, to kind of, if you want to give a little sentence about how people can contact you, if they're interested in Promptability, how to how do people do that? Yeah,

Rohin Aggarwal  30:22  
brilliant, Thanks, Rich. So we're at hello@promptability.io. Or, hopefully, when the LinkedIn posts are shared, and so on working, you can reach out to me directly on LinkedIn as well. And Ben Williams, my business partner, so there's few different ways in which you can contact us, we are ready to use we're very lucky actually, because as test authors, you're always thinking where to host it, we with Evolve Assess, we've got a ready to use user friendly, safe, secure environment. So you know, people can be rest assured in terms of data, the quality of the output. So we have a full a full solution there actually, and we are happy to discuss with you the number of licenses you may wish to use. So just to explain or talk to you about your needs, figure out which employees may like to use the test. And then we can discuss with you the different kinds of plans we have, and actually really exciting should the training offer be of interest. We can also discuss that whether that might complement things so yeah, we're ready to go we're already being used and yeah, we'd love to we'd love to discuss with you more about how we can help your organization get on the playing field with Gen AI

Richard Anderson  31:30  
Absolutely no that sounds brilliant Rohin and Yes, this will be will put this podcast out on LinkedIn will be a kind of a blog post maybe even written by ChatGPT who knows how to go alongside it and we'll put your your LinkedIn profile in there Rohin input Thanks ever so much for making the time to talk to you as always and and yeah, hope you enjoy the rest of the day.

Rohin Aggarwal  31:52  
Yeah, you too. Thanks Rich for having me on.

Richard Anderson  31:54  
Cheers Rohin, take care.

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